The God, so called God is dead long time ago. I read this in history, when Tsar died in Russia, communists have declared this again and again, God is dead. This was the most truthful admission of humans so far ever. No one believes in theory of God, except Humans. The other inhabitants of this planet are born free, live free and die free. Humans are only species which born free and die free but they cannot live free on this planet.
The bondage they built up around is from centuries. The Slavery is generational. One fanatic comes and creates a doctrine, which is nothing but gibberish of his owns mental disease. He built beautiful imaginary castle around those ideas, breath taking stories and creates a near believe preposition of some different world, which neither exist nor will exist.
This is happening with all religions, for me Geeta, Bible, Koran, Vedas or Upanishad’s are nothing but gibberish of some perverts. They said what ever they felt and then come army of blind followers, who started behaving as if this doctrine exists before existence. As if this is the only and only truth. For Me the Truth is, there is no truth.
We claim that we are living in developed or developing world. I would rather say this; we are living in a destructed and damaged world. We think that we are making lives around us better by innovations and discoveries. I felt, we are making our life worst with all those New’, so presumed fascinating objects around us. Our ego is so high that we think we are the best species on this planet. For me, we are no different than animals or for that matter any living creature. Only difference is, we are collectively destroying life on this planet. When an animal dies in a forest, either some other animal, higher on food chain eat that or body decompose by itself. Have you ever thought why humans are burnt or buried? There is no religion in this, the simple reason is that a dead body spreads more pollutions then burnt or buried body. Dead body creates more diseases on this planet, that is why burning and burial is required. People in west take one or two holidays to clean the system. In east, especially in India people take 13 days to clear all the remaining of dead. There is no difference between death of an animal and death of Human being. Both die alike.
India got its independence in 1947; we thought India will be independent. But within two years, all Indians again enter in to slavery of their own constitution. Isn’t that funny? We the people, by the people, for the people.... became the slave again in the hand of politicians, bureaucrats and judiciary. You know why all these are required. Think about it. The law and order, for whom, the food security for whom, the right to live, right to education, right to express for whom. All these are required for what reason, what is the purpose. It is required because Human being is most irresponsible species on this earth. Forget about the responsibility towards this planet, I am mentioning about self responsibility, if every one takes responsibility of self, what is the necessity of religion, country, army, caste and police.
Since we are highly irresponsible we need this entire nuisance in our life. That’s why 'Khaps' exist in Haryana. That’s why Honor killings happening in South Asia. Every where these kind of problems are there, and there is no solution. People are afraid and that is why they go to temple, churches and mosque. If there exist a God, which I don’t believe then how come we all are different. Why we are divided and fight, God is a business and a political gimmick. Be it Krishna, Shiva, Allah or Father of Jesus, it doesn’t matter. People are afraid of their own sin and because of these they are worshipping, and following all these doctrines which are written by some fanatics.
Do you think that a new language can take birth now? Old language has to die to give birth to a new language. Will the slaves of old languages allow this freedom to others? Have you ever noticed the symbol of Shiva (Shiva lingam), this is depiction of Man's penis and Female's Vagina. Do you think that any religion today can take birth out of so called porn things like this? People who built temple of Khajuraho or Ajanta were more free than today's people, rather less slave than today’ slaves. If you want to see the slavery of people towards their conditioning, upbringing, religion, caste, doctrine, political influence and in n all mix of all their own mental disease, just put a nude poster on some road, call Bombay to Mumbai, or put a cartoon on Face-book. You will brush the highest ego of slavery on wrong side. People will be ready to cut your throat to prove that they are biggest slave on this earth.
In the recent happenings, the Khaps in Haryana are agitating for amendment of 'Hindu Marriage' Act. However biggest question is, who runs the Khaps? Who are the followers? Who wants to go them for justice? Slaves support slaves and one form of slavery wants to replaced by another form of slavery. Democracy is another form of slavery, which people embraced in absence of choice. Old habits die hard, people love their chains and after few years or few generations they refused to remove their chains. The same chains, which are used to keep them under control becomes the possessed object of life. All these religion, caste and gotra dogmas are used as decorative chains. And now Khaps are passing orders for its followers (read slaves), either maintain the purity or get ready to be killed. And they forgot that all are dissident of same monkey. And one Monkey baba (so called Yoga guru) supported Khaps on the name of traditions. And what is tradition, just because some one who born 500 or 5000 years ago did this, we are supposed to do. We want to maintain our identity, our ego, our so called pride. 94 to 98.5% genes of human around the world are same; it means that 94 to 98.5% Genes of African and Indians are matching. And for Indians it would be 98.6%. Just because of 1.4% genes we are ready to kill or get killed.
Khaps are nuisance, so are all religions. Billions of people born on this planet and die, there is no trace of them, few ghosts (no good word than this) still exist, one of them is still hanging on cross, other one is carrying bow and arrows, one of them carry some mass destruction weapon and one which doesn’t have any picture or statue, but even a cartoon of him can provoke the entire world to destroy each other.
“If human lives like human, why do we need GOD”
We will die like any other animal and one day this earth or whole system will also collapse. The most disgraceful creation of the existence is on war path of self destruction. Early we realize better for us.
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This is amazing jitu. I totally agree that religion is doing no good but all bad.
Boss!
Wow!!! :)
I agree with Jitendra's few paras on God and human beings. In other words I say that after birth every child is fixed in a web (religion) and throughout his life he is told to behave as per the laws of the web. You are threatened that the spider (God) will destroy you and your past and present if you do not behave as called for.
Before 60 years or so we were slaves not only of religion but also of the other races who ruled over us. We never fought, we were peace loving 'vegetables.'
There are millions of brokers of God who call themselves Great. Look at this Great.... Shree Shree pardons the chap who fired in his gathering so that he may be called great. If he has pardoned the chap who fired then the police should close the file that's all, why waste time. Let criminals thrive. Human Right lovers will also like that!!!!
KK Agrawal
Hi,
Well if humans live like humans then we would understand God...The problem mentioned are not because of the religion its because of the misintepretaion of the religion by the so called foolish mankind. Be it Gita,Koran or Bible are all words of God and its the ultimate way for a human to attain nirvana. What makes you think that not believing in God makes u free from slavery? The basic fact is no one is in control of their life whether u believe in God or you don't believe. We come on the planet without our will go without our will ... so how can u say you are free from bondage of slavery? the fact is there is higher power which controls ur life whether you believe it or not .... No God says worship me or else i'll destroy you.....read your scriptures before commenting rubbish
Jay is talking of religion, scriptures and God which is also rubbish. What is the proof that there is God ? Where was God when Christ was crucified ?
Scriptures were written by the so called foolish mankind as per the times he lived in, as per his circumstances and even as per his personal requirements, such as,
One of the religion require that a human male should clean the drops of urine from his penis with a stone after every piss. This clearly means that the god's writer must be suffering from an enlargement of his prostate gland which requires such a thing.
This also clearly shows that it is not a religion but a way of life. They make slave of us even in our private life.
Another religion declared cow as mother and even started worshiping it because it provided milk. It is the oldest industry today in which millions are employed throughout the world. Selfish, selfish and exploiter. Cow's milk is made for it's calf and not for humans.
Secondly where is father gone. Greedy human even change the chemistry of the male calf by crushing the testicals in its early age. Why the writers of religion did not stop such an exploitation of others?
Because religion itself is an industry where the so called priests exploit others to make their own life full of luxuries. They are the greatest exploiters in the name of God; who is a myth in himself.
kk
"What is the proof that there is God ? Where was God when Christ was crucified ?"
Well to get the proof you have to search for it and follow the scriptures and if you don't follow and ask for prrof you are like an African tribal man in the Jungle who hasn't seen the civilisation and invention, on hearing upon internet says, well there is nothing such as this prove it to me. For the proof he needs to he needs to come out of the jungle into civilisation to witness it.
Christ's live was example of self sacrifice and forgiveness for the mankind.
"One of the religion require that a human male should clean the drops of urine from his penis"
You need to understand the context in which it is said . 1400 years back Arabia was land of waring,unclean, barbarious tribe . There was no way of life or culture.If you see Koran teaches basics family values and social eithics to these nomads .Self cleaning is important and since in the desert there was shortage of water they were asked to clean the urine droplets with stone ...so wat's wrong in that if religion teaches u basic values if it is non existent in a society?
"Another religion declared cow as mother and even started worshiping it because it provided milk"
Which religious scriptures in Hinduism says that..Can you pls enlighten me KK?
"Greedy human even change the chemistry of the male calf by crushing the testicals in its early age. Why the writers of religion did not stop such an exploitation of others?"
All the scriptures Bhagvat Gita ch 5 ,Ch-15 there are verses which says we have to be kind to Animals.
Koran says no animals deserves death or crulety. So does Bible ,Buddhism speaks volumes on that. So its not the religion but so called foolish mankind which does it.. By following a religion such exploitation would stop. By the way which religion or scriptures says that animals needs to treated like this ? Could you pls point me to any link or any text in the scriptues which says that?
"Because religion itself is an industry where the so called priests exploit others to make their own life full of luxuries"
For you it may appear as an industry ..well I have met people in the same field who have spend their lifetime helping and elevating people from suffering..the below mentioned examples like Ramkrisna,Vivekananda, salim chisti were all genuine .....We always have two sides of a coin ..depends on which one do you see. There are rotten apples everywhere in every field.
Hello Jay,
These were Very interesting thoughts, you have presented. Let’s discuss this one by one.
1. If Gita, Koran and Bible are words of GOD, than why they are so confusing and contradicting. Why GOD left this to 'FOOLISH MANKINDS' Interpretation. Why can’t he tell, spade a spade. There is no similarity in these books, which has been claimed by many. Many people try to relate each other, but anomalies exist to extent that world is divided to kill each other. These books just talk about basic living and try to prove supremacy of unknown, which has not existed at all.
2. Not believing in GOD will at least free you from conditioning, dogmas traditions and religion. Also it will help you in believing Humanism.
3. You wrote, no one is having control on their life; some higher power is controlling all the living being on this planet. You mean to say that people on this planet are just like robots and some one is remotely controlling them. In that scenario, my friend, this world should be in perfect order. How come we have so much violence, If GOD is controlling Hitler, than how come 6 million Jews were killed by Hitler. Are you saying GOD is enjoying this violence and he only directed Hitler to kill them? In India, every 2-5 minute, one rape is happening, who is controlling rapist and how about victim. Tell me one thing, is your GOD also involved in Rape of 1 month old babies. How will you define this action? And please don’t bring the theory of Karmas here. I will refute that one also.
4. If GOD doesn’t say, worship me, then why are you doing so? Are you not disobeying him/her/it by doing, what he is not saying?
5. All Scriptures, old or new are written/said by person like you and me. They are dead or even alive will die like you and me. So what is the point reading junk? All these scriptures are nothing but Intellectual orgasm, only few pretends to get it. Why to bother and waste your life on such things, when better things are available in life. So my unsolicited advice to you and your friends in the same field is, get rid of these junks as early as possible. You will be happier as you have more time in your life to do some thing constructive. In fact, better do nothing; this will help every one in many ways.
6. Christ life would be exemplary but not of Christians and Examples are bad to follow. Be Jay only, that would help you.
7. If Koran was said specifically to Arabs 1400 years ago, then why Muslims in every part of the world are following it. In India we have plenty of water; still use of stone is common. We are talking about this type slavery only. Don’t just blindly follow. Just because it was written in so called 'HOLY BOOK', it is not true. Do you know how many changes have been brought in, in Bible? If GOD had said so, then why so many changes. For example, Sun revolves round earth, have you heard this story. Galileo was sentenced to death because of this. Develop brain not lose eyes, that should be your mantra.
8. Regarding your Gau-Mata, All your sages from Vrindavan to Kanyakumari are taking care of Gau-Mata and no one is keeping caring the Father. In west, people kill the calves after certain age, do you know why, because the Flesh is not eatable and Male cow is expensive, if you keep them alive. Why GOD is silent on this?
9. Yes, I agree that part of all your junk books, which says be kind of animals. Don’t eat them, live with them and give them space to live.
10. You have taken the name of few people, whom I never met. So probably I don’t know their life style. In this world, dead are worshipped. Some historians will come, write nice words, some good stories, some imaginary miracles and that’s enough for people to worship them. Please understand the term 'Mass hysteria' in details.
I can bless you with two words only, 'Jay Ho'
1)The essence of Gita,Koran and Bible are all one and the same ...The difference you see in these religions are because of the difference of georphysical location , the intellect, era and th audience to whom these discourses were given to. Discourse of Bhavat Gita by Krisna was to Arjuna was for a highly civilised vedic society who knew what is 1+1 already..hence you see the concept of reincarnation and transmigration souls,Karma yoga explanined in detail.
Where in if you see explanation of koran was for uncivilised,uneducated ,barbaric fighting tribes in arabia . Where looting,plunder, raping, homosexulating, eating dead animals, incest was order of the day ie a society which does not know wat is 1+1... Hence you see the basics being given in Koran to establish a society..like you should not marry your mother and sister, you should not eat dead animals so on as so forth. The same applies for Bible which was given to lower order people like Slaves,fisherman.. hence you would find the basics there ....Can you teach calculus to a child studing in class 1 or would you want to teach 1+1 to a pupil in PHD? hence the contradictions He called a spade and spade in clear and simple terms ...you take that as log of wood willingly or unwillingly who is to be blamed for that ?
2)By adhereing to the religious principles you are paving the way for humanity and not the other way round. By not believing in God how does it ensure you are a better human being ? So called Hitler, Napolean were all of atheistic views not having any predilection for any religion as such ...then how come they brought destruction to mankind ?
3)Pls do not misquote ...I said there are few things which is not in your control like your birth, death.Old age and disease. There is divine intervention to that and a universal law which governs it something which is of higher nature than us. So how can you say you are in control of your life totally? can you impreganate yourself and come to the world when you want and leave the body and go at your will ?
You are responisble for your own actions in this world. So are you bound by karmic reactions on your actions. why do want to refute that?
Gita Ch 5 verse 14 "The Lord neither creates the urge for action, nor the feeling of doership, nor the attachment to the results of action in people. The powers of material Nature do all these"
Gita Ch- 5 v 15 The Lord does not take the responsibility for the good or evil deeds of anybody. The veil of ignorance covers the Self-knowledge; thereby people become deluded and do evil deeds.
Hope that answers your childish question as to why would God not take part in raping a child.
6) Childish again ...Christ was an hallmark of preaching forgiveness, unrelenting help and loving services to all of mankind . There is no disgrace in shamelessly following someone who is great. How would being to myself help me ?
7)That is what I said exactly in my previous post... the problem is not the religion ...its the misinterpretation of religion, taking the literal meaning, taking things out of context. Problem does not live with the scripture or religion ...it lies again with the foolish mankind like you and me.
8)Again the same answer as I have said previously ....Pls ponit me to a scripture or religion which says they need to be dealt with cruelty? Mankind is resonsible for their own actions and not God or religion...So called human who want to live humans does it and not God. Understanding and following your religion with sprituality obviates such acts of cruelty rather than promoting it.
9)"Yes, I agree that part of all your junk books, which says be kind of animals. Don’t eat them, live with them and give them space to live"
So what are you suggesting avoid this message in the so called junk book for you and start slaughtering , crushing the balls so that humans behaves like humans?
10) Well belief is the basis of life for everyone ....Without belief you cannot call your own father father without getting dna testing done.else we are blindly believing what we have heard.Cannot call your child your own until DNA test is done Or do you think otherwise ? Our enire life runs on belief in some form or the other.
I can also bless you with you two words " Buddhi Do"
Jay said
The basic fact is no one is in control of their life whether u believe in God or you don't believe. We come on the planet without our will go without our will ...
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This coming and going is not controlled by God now. It is controlled by human now. Consult a doctor, not a holy book.
Jay said
For the proof he needs to he needs to come out of the jungle into civilisation to witness it.
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It seems that God was also primitive thats why it took him many many centuries to create today's civilization for human. Could he not do it before ?
Christ's live was example of self sacrifice and forgiveness for the mankind.
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Our Prithviraj Cauhaan followed Christ and got his eyes taken out of its sockets. Pity !!! His duty was to kill the attacker as per Gita.
Jay
1400 years back Arabia was land of waring,unclean, barbarious tribe...so wat's wrong in that if religion teaches u basic values if it is non existent in a society?
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You yourself said (as above) for whom that religion was made for and not for present day civilized world.
Jay
---cow. Which religious scriptures in Hinduism says that..Can you pls enlighten me KK?
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That we see every day in the society therefore no need to ponder over scriptures and waist time.
Jay
Koran says no animals deserves death or crulety.
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How wrong you are. They are taught to rear an animal-with love-just like a family member. On a particular day the pet's throat is slit and blood is allowed to drain out in the presence of every family member including children. Then it is cut into pieces and distributed among other relatives.
It teaches no trust only treachery.
Jay
Where in if you see explanation of koran was for uncivilised,uneducated ,barbaric fighting tribes in arabia . Where looting,plunder, raping, homosexulating, eating dead animals, incest was order of the day ie a society which does not know wat is 1+1...
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If it was made for that era then why should the civilized world is forced to follow it at gun point ?
Jay
who have spend their lifetime helping and elevating people from suffering..
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Why can't God do that? If God has destined suffering for somebody then it is none of our business to interfere in his doings.
Jay, please note that Gita is the only book which is practical in its teachings. So much so that it even says that it is your duty to kill even your own relatives if they are on wrong path. By analyzing the worldly happenings and doings at that moment in the battlefield, Lord Krishna only tries to prepares Aurjun to stop worrying about good or bad but to remember only the duty, the duty to eliminate evil.
This is also done by the army commanders in the battlefield, these days.
Please note that because of wrong interpretation of books, the holy books, we were made 'cows' and impotents to be cut by the invaders for the last 1000 years. We were slaves yet we called and call ourself great. What a joke !!!! We were slaves but better slaves as compared to Africans.
Your replies are not 'strait' but I find them a tangled bunch of thread we come across after a kite flying.
This is due to too much reading of holy books.
kk
KK Said
"This coming and going is not controlled by God now. It is controlled by human now. Consult a doctor, not a holy book"
Well you have come right out of the comic book to say that.Controlled by humans the death and birth ? I can't stop laughing at that. Then going by your logic in 26/11 mumbai attack i'm assuming either everyone committed suicide since the death is controlled by humans themselves and ..Kasab should be set free or doctors should be hanged for killing the people since they control the life of humans
KK Said
"It seems that God was also primitive thats why it took him many many centuries to create today's civilization for human. Could he not do it before ?
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Quoting again from Bhagvat Gita
"Gita Ch 5 verse 14 "The Lord neither creates the urge for action, nor the feeling of doership, nor the attachment to the results of action in people. The powers of material Nature do all these"
"Our Prithviraj Cauhaan followed Christ and got his eyes taken out of its sockets. Pity !!! His duty was to kill the attacker as per Gita"
Which quote in bible says that attackers should not be defended or and enimies should be not be fought with ? Read the new testament and commandments of Bible and undertand it . Don't take things out of context... In which situation you have to be kind and forgiving needs to be understood in the right context...Don't take literal meaning of the sentence like a daft... Then if I take literal meaning of Gita I should kill all my cousins and brothers as Krishna is tellmig Arjuna in Gita to do so ... The context in which he saying should be understood.
KK said
"You yourself said (as above) for whom that religion was made for and not for present day civilized world"
You are again misquoting me I never said it does not fit the civilised world I said it taught the basic values to a decadent Arab society to be clean ...on your ludicrous commment of penis being washed with a stone. Islam teaches charty,Praying 5 times in a day and to be kind and peaceful to everyone which ofcourse fits the current civilisation
KK Said
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That we see every day in the society therefore no need to ponder over scriptures and waist time"
If you cannot waist time and ponder over your scriptures don't make up things based on your own whims and fancies and pls don't give a trade mark of hinduism to your mentally decadent views
KK Said "How wrong you are. They are taught to rear an animal-with love-just like a family member. On a particular day the pet's throat is slit and blood is "
All these including jihad are all misinterpreations of followers Religion should never ever be judged with what their followers partake in.
KK said
"If it was made for that era then why should the civilized world is forced to follow it at gun point ?"
Religion should never ever be judged with what their followers partake in. Koran clearly mentions there should not be any forced conversions.
KK said "
Jay, please note that Gita is the only book which is practical in its teachings "
Well first time you are taking sensibly and also contradicting yourself ....If Gita is practical as you say then we should all adhere by what it preaches ...essence of spirituality , to know, understand and unify with the ultimate reality - Universal Brahaman...
wow...Jay... its really fabulous ..I guess you have indepth knowledge in all religions...In fact you cleared lot of my doubts regarding why there is contradictions on various religions. i always wondered why Islam is so different if it is the word of God. Jitendra has asked very valid questions and you have answered perfectly...
Nothing against KK but not sure what he is asking and commenting on one hand he says Gita is practical on another hand he says God does not exist... If gita is practical then entire preaching of Gita is about God.......Then Prithviraj follower of and Jesus :) and Krishan and Army commanders ....No coherence at all...I guess he is little confused
preaching of Gita is about God.......Then Prithviraj follower of and Jesus :) and Krishan and Army commanders ....No coherence at all...I guess he is little confused
Prathiba, I am not confused, please read carefully. Jay said >> Christ's live was example of self sacrifice and forgiveness for the mankind.
My answer was for above >>Our Prithviraj Cauhaan followed Christ's teaching as above and got his eyes taken out of its sockets because he let lose (forgiveness) the attacker.
Why do you have to relate Gita to God. Read it, enjoy it (if you can), forget and do your duty.
kk>> They are taught to rear an animal-with love-just like a family member. On a particular day the pet's throat is slit and blood is "
Jay>> All these including jihad are all misinterpreations of followers Religion should never ever be judged with what their followers partake in.
Jay, please talk to the point. You say that these 'are all misinterpreations'. If it is so, then, why every muslim is doing that kind of killing on bakra-id. Please open your eyes and look around and see for yourself. Do not get 'drowned' in religious scriptures. Please float on them and try to see the universe too.
Hello Jay,
Lets first talk about "The essence of all religion is same", Essence of all religions, which are formed after so called Messiah is gone, were to create the army of followers, and protect the ideas/beliefs/preposition of messiah who gave at that point of time. Religion never formed when Buddha, Mohammad or Krishna was alive. Religions were formed only after these so called GOD or prophets were passed away. My question is very basic, you try to prove supremacy of GOD, but when it comes to real problems or danger, you pass the ball to 'FOOLISH MANKIND'.
I used the Mass hysteria term for your reference, you said, Geeta doesn’t says, that follow god, worship God. Then, why scores of the people go to Temple, churches and Mosques? If scripture doesn’t teach you so then who says so? It is people like you who interpret, when and where you can offer prayers and other rituals to cleanse your mental and physical diseases. Who is teaching this on the name of religion? Why there are so many God men exist or GOD sends them continuously. "Till the time you are not Guilty run my business", this is what happening in case of each of your God man. Swami Nityananda's affair was not a very past. All your Sadhus/Saints are involved in humanly behavior. Sex Scandals by Indian Sages are famous across the millennia. Church is still dealing with Homosexuality charges. Read the History of Europe or for that matter read the so called ficticious novel, "Da vinci code". You will get a new perspective about Christianity.
Now let’s come to India, three religions born here. Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism, the essence you are talking about is Nirvana, Correct? Let me tell you some thing, Any one who will born will get Nirvana, If you are so interested and keen to attend Nirvana, What is the point in Living? Don’t get involve with this imaginary castle of Nirvana. You wont reach any where, because there is no where to reach and if goal of your life is to attend the Enlightenment, Please stop living in this world, why don’t go straight away to heaven or bainkuth lok, there is only one way people reach, only after death. Do not make fools paradise based upon, these old books, which makes no sense in the present world.
Life is here and now. We are conditioned to relate each other, making difference between good and bad. When people like you, who are so much influenced by 'HOLY BOOKS', encounters real life problem, instead of using your own brain (which Mahavir Says 'Vivek', Krishna Says 'Atma') looks for the 'HOLY BOOK' and try to relate the situation with Arjuna's Situation and think that we are standing in same battle field. You can generalize any talk, about any circumstances and try to fit any solution any where. This is the beauty of Human mind, which you call ''FOOLISH MANKIND'. That’s why people like you; probably your brothers go to Mullahs and ask for Fatwa’s, for example, Can I allow women from my family to work outside? Is it according to Shariah to let Woman work in close proximity of man? Is Taslima Nasareen allowed to live in India? And then comes Mullah's golden word after so called "INTERPRETATION' of God’s word. That no, Women can't work in close proximity of man or Taslima can’t live in India or Danish Cartoonist needs to be killed or Face book to be banned. Now you will argue this is wrong interpretation of Koran, for all the wrong doings of religions or god you will blame to 'FOOLISH MANKIND'. You will keep supporting,….Koran never says so, If Koran never so says then why half the population of Mohammedans are forced or conditioned to live in Veil. Why Taliban is burning all Girls Schools in Swat Valley? Again you will say 'FOOLISH MANKIND', my friend it’s you and so called friends in same field who are forcing people to live according to set principles or based upon a BOOK or GOD. I am against this.
To Be contd…
You first wrote, we don’t have any control on any of our deeds, some higher power is controlling, and then you changed you stance giving Geeta's quote that, God is not responsible. What about Geeta's that verse, in which Krishna is saying to Arjuna, that Who is killing, it is 'I' , who is getting killed, it is 'I' and in every living being, ‘I’ am present. Do you read properly or pick some versus which suite to your logic only. Geeta as said, by Mr. KK, is a practical book to convince one gentleman named 'Arjuna', who has no desire to fight that war. If you have situation like Arjuna in your life, that any of your cousins or clan grab your land or assault any woman, what you are going to do. I think you first refer to the book and then decide. Now in this country, Everyday scores of people are reading Geeta, as you do and still no one believe that 'Duty is your worship' Or are you saying Geeta is making to sense only, few chosen one like you, who flaunt Geeta for every circumstances happening. We were slaves for thousand years, you and your friends in same field were just reading and understanding Geeta at that time. And trying to interpret, 'what ever happens, happen for good'. Where in Geeta is written or for that matter any scriptures, that Follow or worship God, go to temple. If it is not written, why you get so called peace only in temple, this must be said by some idiot, that in temple you get peace, Try Tirupati balaji darshanam, you will realize. Take the example of Jains; Mahavir ridiculed the idea of GOD. Mahavir was atheist, you might know this, then came army of followers of Mahavir, whatever he said based upon that, they formed a religion around his prepositions, Hindus converted and became Jains and then they started worshipping Mahavir as they were worshipping Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh. But, you and your friend in same field, will not support this argument, you will say, it is because of … 'FOOLISH MANKIND'
So three religions formed in this country, which have prominent voices. Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism, Hinduism believes in Soul and GOD (please read atma and paramatma), Jainisim ridiculed the idea of GOD but says yes, Soul exist, then came buddhism, it says nothing exist, Neither soul nor GOD. Now you will say that, ok so what….essence is same and I will ask, where is essence in this, which is hypothetical thing which exist in the your mind only, because you are trying to mix three different thing. The very ideas are different. If all religions are same than, why Buddha was preaching his teachings, why didn’t he said, no need, every thing is written in Vedas or in Geeta. Now don’t try to interpret, don’t say, no Mahavir said because so and so.. or Buddha says because so and so...
Your interpretation of HOLY BOOK is good interpretation and god's voice. And all evil things are 'FOOLISH MANKIND'.
People do social service on the name of Religion, they help poor, they make hospitals and they offer food to hungry people. Now may I ask you, if GOD is so happening, why beggars exist here, why people are dying with Hunger? If God is so kind, merciful and so loving then this kind of differentiation should not exist. But still we have poor people, rich people and some born with silver spoon and some born and live like beggar. Why GOD is creating Rich dad and poor dad. Hindus are smart, they gave 'Theory of Karmas', and said, it’s because of your last birth. Christians and Mohammedan do not believe in last or next birth. But you will still stress that 'Essence of all religion is same'.
To Be contd..
Check this, how interpretation works, some of my understanding of you literal work,
Jay said very derogatory terms about Mohammedans and Christians, while praising Hindus at the same time. Following is the compilation
1. Koran was meant for Barbaric, uncivilized and uneducated people, who were involved in fighting, looting, plunder, raping, homosexuality, eating dead animals, incest and do not know 1+1,
2. Bible was meant for lower order people like Slaves, fisherman who do not know 1+1.
3. At the same time Jay said, Geeta was meant for highly civilized society.
Now, FOOLISH MANKIND can interpret as followings,
1. Jay is communal,
2. Jay tried to prove supremacy of Hinduism as he mentioned early Hindus were highly civilized though ready to kill their own kin and kith
3. Jay is trying to say, since people are no longer barbaric, they are civilized and educated in Arabia now and know 1+1, they no longer required Koran. And can turn to Hinduism because they are highly civilized and know 1+1
4. Jay is saying since people are doing other jobs like Consultant, bankers and Information technology, knowledge worker now and they know 1+1, and Bible was meant for slaves and fisherman, Bible is not required for present day Christians because they are not Slave and Fishermen, now they can turn to Hinduism because they are highly civilized, skilled and know 1+1
5. Since 5000 years ago Hindus are highly civilized in spite of followings
a. Fight amongst cousins/Kings/brothers were common
b. looting/rape/kidnapping/Attempt to rape were common
c. A divided society based upon Caste.
d. People are treated based upon work they do.
and at present Hindus are not highly civilized because there exist many 'FOOLISH MANKIND', who interprets 5000 years old God’s words wrongly and also they were slaves for 1000 years, ruled by Muslims and British, they should turn in to Christianity or Mohammedans.
This can be ONE of conclusion of FOOLISH MANKIND of your writing on this Blog, there can be many conclusions.
One more Goodies from you,
Let’s check some previous conversion to demonstrate the example of INTERPRETATION skills of knowledgeable people,
Following I am quoting from your comment only,
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"June 2, 2010 11:33 AM
jay said...
KK Said
"This coming and going is not controlled by God now. It is controlled by human now. Consult a doctor, not a holy book"
Well you have come right out of the comic book to say that.Controlled by humans the death and birth? I can't stop laughing at that. Then going by your logic in 26/11 mumbai attack i'm assuming either everyone committed suicide since the death is controlled by humans themselves and ..Kasab should be set free or doctors should be hanged for killing the people since they control the life of humans"
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Mr. KK said to you; please consult a doctor, not a holy book. You interpret as Doctor's are controlling life of Human being. This advice was for you to consult a doctor. You interpret as if Mr. KK is saying, Doctors are controlling Human life"
I hope by two examples I gave above, you would have understood by now, that the written words can be misinterpreted by any and many. So don’t take the words as final, because words are written by a human being like you and me, based upon their surroundings, geographical knowledge and his way of thinking.
To Be Contd..
And now you read New Testament also, you give me full belly laugh, seriously I can’t believe that. Seems you read a lot. New Testament, that’s amazing…. But why New, what is wrong with old. I heard they have added list of new sins in that. You will come with another argument that old testament was really old, science developed, and also 'FOOLISH MANKIND' become more fool so GOD ordered some of his Agents (Sitting in Rome) to change this OLD 'HOLY BOOK' to NEW ‘HOLY BOOK’.
Hindi movies are good, you need to watch 'Lage Raho Munna Bhai' The protagonist of this movie, read lot about Gandhiji, and then Hallucination begins. He started seeing Gandhiji every where. I think, with you the same problem is happening. Mr. KK correctly pointed out, you need consult Doctor. You are seeing every where Geeta and thinking it is happening.
Original Geeta was said in Sanskrit, Please correct me if I am wrong (which I am sure, you will do), and may be because so called highly civilized population at that time understand only GOD's Language. Now first time in India education is available to every one. With all round efforts of Geeta pathi and Geeta gyani people like you, below 60% of people are literate. 20% know, how to sign or write their name only. How many understand Sanskrit, probably less than 1%. 99% of the people have to depend upon an interpreter to understand, that what the hell has been said by your Lord to his disciple. We should not have any doubt, on interpreter’ translating skills and explanations of the meaning of Lord's verses. Because belief is every thing and since your relationship to your father depends on your belief, you should also have belief on that Pandit or God men, who is running a business where so called FOOLISH MANKIND are customers
You are hilarious, you represent to the same kind of people, who are conditioned and taught that 'HOLY BOOKS' cant be wrong and GOD Exist. I really love the way you use the word 'FOOLISH MANKIND'
Jitendra Gahlot said... "You said, Geeta doesn’t says, that follow god, worship God"
1)Wrong again ....Pls read the post and read carefully what I have written....I said no religion/God preaches worship me or I'll destroy you... You have taken first 3 word and of the sentence which I wrote and ignored the rest and you also ignored the context in which I said …I was replying a quote from you that that God would destroy you if you don’t worship. The scriptures gives us the guiding light and the right path which you should choose for peace and happiness and the ultimate goal of human life i.e. nirvana. It’s always an admonishment and never an intimidation as you had mentioned.
2) You said "My question is very basic, you try to prove supremacy of GOD, but when it comes to real problems or danger, you pass the ball to 'FOOLISH MANKIND"
God is all prevading,omnipresent and omnipotent He has defined the universal law of birth,death,old age and disease and given the freewill and the intelligence to mankind for the all the activities and the law of karma decides the actions and reactions of the people. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that?..Going by your logic in your house if you father teaches you honesty and you go outside and steal because of your greed then your father should be punished and blamed and not you...Doesn't that seem illogical...
3) You said "Swami Nityananda's affair was not a very past. All your Sadhus/Saints are involved in humanly behavior. Sex Scandals by Indian Sages are famous across the millennia. Church is still dealing with Homosexuality charges"
Why are you again giving the same rotten bad examples which everyone knows? Well certainly not all of them are same you'll have plenty of good examples if you search for ...why should our religious scriptures be held hostages to such crooks and misinterpreted goongs ?
Then if you remember correct me there as another so called pretending intellectual like you all you who scorned all the religious scriptures,asked everyone to abjure from religion asked everyone to believe in themselves and freedom on the earth and then made big time money, polygamy and free sex.. What's his name Osho ....? So how come a person who was not involved with religion, god etc so called intellectuals for guys did that. This guy never followed any religion or believed in God ... so why do you think that happens?
4)Any one who will born will get Nirvana, If you are so interested and keen to attend Nirvana, What is the point in Living?
Hahaha that's joke of the decade ..Jokes are appreciated but cannot be included in serious discussions. First tell me what do understand by nirvana? What is the point in living?
Living right way leads to Nirvana
You said “Please stop living in this world, why don’t go straight away to heaven or bainkuth lok, there is only one way people reach, only after death”
Oh well Jitu it’s not very easy or else I would have taken a flight and gone. Thanks for your expert advise …Going by your logic l a serial rapist, serial killer, murder and a man of great philanthropy and displaying charity all would land at the same place choose what every path you may in this world . I guess you are fair with everyone I’m sorry I and the so called religious minded stupid people who follow scriptures believe differently …we believe, based on your karma, you would go to different places
Quoting from Bhavat Gita again
CH-13.21)“Spiritual Being enjoys three modes of material Nature by associating with the material Nature. Attachment to the three modes of material Nature due to ignorance caused by previous Karma is the cause of birth of living entity in good and evil wombs . “
You Said “Is Taslima Nasareen allowed to live in India? And then comes Mullah's golden word after so called "INTERPRETATION' of God’s word. That no, Women can't work in close proximity of man or Taslima can’t live in India or Danish Cartoonist needs to be killed or Face book to be banned. Now you will argue this is wrong interpretation of Koran, for all the wrong doings of religions or god you will blame to 'FOOLISH”
Yes it is misinterpretation of Koran …. Can you please show me a single sentence in Koran which says that women should be treated like that. When you say wrong doings of Religion … then it should be mentioned in the religion then if it is not then its your figment of imagination its not a religious script.
Going by your logic people are discriminated only by following religious scriptures and books. Then in that case if you abolish religion does that solve your problem and do you think mankind would live in peace?
You said “You first wrote, we don’t have any control on any of our deeds, some higher power is controlling, and then you changed you stance giving Geeta's quote that”
Please do not take literal meaning of the sentence like a daft …You are responsible for your actions ….There is a powers which which governs the law of your birth death ect which is not in our control. Or do you think like KK it is in our control ?
You said “What about Geeta's that verse, in which Krishna is saying to Arjuna, that Who is killing, it is 'I' , who is getting killed, it is 'I' and in every living being, ‘I’ am present”
hahahahaha I can’t stop lauging at that again . The other day I was thinking how could the arabs misinterpret so such lovely words of god in Koran ….well after talking to you I don’t blame them… In terse madness does not need to go with illiterates.. it can be be educated as well …you have proved it . Krisha never says it me who is killing or its me its getting killed .. pls read it properly before commenting . He says spirit or atman is all pervading , omnipresent , omnipotent and pervades the entire universe.
Gita – Ch 2 – verse 19
The one who thinks that the Spirit is a slayer, and the one who thinks the Spirit is slain, both are ignorant. Because the Spirit neither slays nor is slain. (2.19)
You said
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We were slaves for thousand years, you and your friends in same field were just reading and understanding Geeta at that time. And trying to interpret, 'what ever happens, happen for good'. Where in Geeta is written or for that matter any scriptures, that Follow or worship God, go to temple.”
We were slaves for thousands of years not because of people like me it was because of people like you who thought the books and scriptural injuctions are junk and bcos of your high selfish self ego you think what ever I think is correct great and whatever was said previously by the greats are piece of crap.
Had our so called kings followed the scriptural injuctions they would have fought the war as advised by Krishna in Gita … it clearly mentions do your duty without selfish attachments or results. Whether you lose or win is immaterial but fight if that is your duty as a soldier. Well our herores I guess were your followers they preferred to not to fight becase they wanted to be like humans and to their self rather than believing in God’s word. What makes your ridiculously think that the religious scriptures only mean going to the temple ?
Had the Gita verses the so called kings followed we would not have been slaves.
Gita (2.37)
You will go to heaven if killed on the line of duty, or you will enjoy the kingdom on the earth if victorious. Therefore, get up with a determination to fight, O Arjuna.
Gita Ch2 Verse 28
Treating pleasure and pain, gain and loss, and victory and defeat alike, engage yourself in your duty. By doing your duty this way you will not incur sin. (2.38)
You said “
Buddhism, Hinduism believes in Soul and GOD (please read atma and paramatma), Jainisim ridiculed the idea of GOD but says yes, Soul exist, then came buddhism, it says nothing exist, Neither soul nor GOD.”
Wrong again Some Buddhists assert there is no God, but this is not exactly true. Inthe earliest of all Buddhist scriptures, there are numerous mentions of
Gods. Countless times the Buddha alludes to the fact that he is both a
Teacher of men and a Teacher of Gods, and that His position is above
Both. Reference Gods are clearly established in these first Terevada scriptures of Buddhism…Please check that….read Gita Ch 2 tells you Gods not different from the soul. But again the essesnce of of Hinduism,Buddhism and Jainsim is same…. The path of Nirvana…. Its mentioned in all the religions
“Now don’t try to interpret, don’t say, no Mahavir said because so and so.. or Buddha says because so and so”
Why do you want to kill the argument when it is valid and why do want to obviate a discussion by putting a fullstop or is it that you just want to say “what ever I know little bit which I have read from here and there should not be reasoned with”…. Its like I’m writing blog “pls do not use computers, electronics and internet”… then I put up saying pls do not say it is gud bcos of this and that… I’m refute it … boom…The foolishness cannot be bargained with or reasoned with.
You said “Hindus are smart, they gave 'Theory of Karmas', and said, it’s because of your last birth. Christians and Mohammedan do not believe in last or next birth. But you will still stress that 'Essence of all religion”
Why there is difference in suffering of people is exactly because of Karmas of human being ….If you are saying no to something put up a justification why do you think it is wrong ?
And its not just in hinduinsm even islam and charistianity talks of reincarnation. Please check what is “Power of deliverance” in Bible It is nothing but the concept of reincarnation. Please check the below verse from Koran of reincarnation ch1 Koran
“How can you disbelieve in God when you once were dead and He furnished you with life? Soon He will let you die once more, then bring you back to life again; then unto Him will you return! He is the One Who has created everything that is on earth for you; then He soared up to Heaven and perfected it as seven heavens. He is Aware of everything!”
Reincarnation in Gita “Just as the soul acquires a childhood body, a youth body, and an old age body during this life; similarly, the soul acquires another body after death. This should not delude the wise. (See also 15.08) (2.13)”
I think I have accentuated enough on the misinterpretation of the religions by the followers… but the essesnce still remains the same. The mass in general in Arabia could not grasp the concept of reincarnation ….which is mentioned clearly…Now there are masses in Mulsims and Christian who have started accepting the fact reincarnation exists..
You said “
Now, FOOLISH MANKIND can interpret as followings,
1. Jay is communal,
2. Jay tried to prove supremacy of Hinduism as he mentioned early Hindus were highly civilized though ready to kill their own kin and kith
3. Jay is trying to say, since people are no longer barbaric, they…..”
“So don’t take the words as final, because words are written by a human being like you and me, based upon their surroundings, geographical knowledge and his way of thinking.”
So in that case going by your logic it just does not pertain to religious writings …I’m assuming all the writings fall under that category…Be it a morning newspaper which I read or any book on scienctic inventions and theory which I read till now all are open to interpretations by any and many especially with HUMANS WHO WOULD WANT TO BEHAVE LIKE HUMANS .
• Lets discard the theory of relativity by Albert Einstein as he was also a just an human being like you and me. If I apply your logic here again then he is fool who tried to convince people and the scientific community with his bunch of lies on twins paradox theory and theory of relativity ….Concluding with actually what you always say …don’t give any excuses I’ll not accept it ..Don’t say this and that he has proved his theory…I’m refute everything.
• Why believe Issac Newton and his cock and bull theory about gravity just bcos apple fell on his head…..He was just an ordinary human being like you and me…. I’m rejecting his gravitational theory … there is nothing called as gravity …Pls no excuses again I’m refuting everything…. Pls don’t come back and say scentic community accepted it and all ..its all rubbish…I’m telling you guys …they wanted to become famous came up with something ridiculous and as “mass hysteria” fools started following ,writing books on that started teaching it in the colleges ….
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In a nutsheel dispel what is written in the books lets go back to the jungle days without education since all these writings are written by humans based on their surroundings …
Good luck to the way you think…
"This coming and going is not controlled by God now. It is controlled by human now”-KK
Whatever little English I know and the other folks who read this can make out it means coming and going are controlled by Humans how can coming and going in this planet be controlled by the humans…. Please do not try to change the stance or mislead.
You said “
But why New, what is wrong with old. I heard they have added list of new sins in that. You will come with another argument that old testament was really old, science developed, and also 'FOOLISH MANKIND' become more fool so GOD…”
You know what the problem is you only hear from so called guys who are agnostic or atheist like you…you never read ….you speculate things based on your own assumptions and come to farcical conclusions… Read it to understand it.If you don’’t want to read then please don’t be like a frog in the well who says well is bigger than the ocean.
Since you have derving your intellect from Bollywood and MunnaBhai I’ll not question your intellect further and not all godmen are rotten apples ..There are few whose name I suggested and there are plenty of others if you search for .
Going by your logic people are discriminated only by following religious scriptures and books. Then in that case if you abolish religion does that solve your or mankind ‘s problem and do you think mankind would live in peace?
• Did President Truman took any cue from any religion before nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or was he following anu scriptural injuctions ? especially when Japan had agreed to surrender and on being advised by his juniors that Japan be warned by showing the might by exploding bomb in a non man’s land so that there is no destruction to mankind. All went to the deaf ears of Truman ? what do you think he was following any scriptural injuctions or book?
• What about rape of Nanjim … oh again was it done on scriptural injunction ?
• What about the masscarce of Chinese in torture chambers in japan?
• What about extermination of mass in Australia of the Aborigines .
Even before religions existed people would fight and fought for greed,powe r and wealth. Even if tomorrow religion is not there mankind still would find reasons to fight with each other based on nationality, colour of the skin ,caste or race because we know more about killing than living together. Blaming religion or God for man made follies is like draining the spuds with no reason.
Every murders, rapist, killers have their own justification to evil deeds.. The question who decides what is right and what is wrong? Certainly you yourself cannot with your limited intelligence. Be it me ya indore ka sarafa ka jitu or anyone else … Its always the scriptures which is the guiding light and source of ultimate happiness. It cannot be expressed in words it needs to be experienced. Anyway it was good writing in this blog…I may not show up again would be tied up with something really busy.
I fully agree with Jay. This is the first time i'm seeing someone talking really sensible. You have come out in open and defended all the religion and given the right interpretations.
Well just was looking at Jitendra's comment of Bhagwat Gita .He says "it only suits one gentle man Arjuna for battle field like situation" Do not try to apply to other situations.
If you need to know that it can still be applied to all the fields and any walks of life and situation not just battle.
See Karma Yoga it can be applied to daily work even in the office.
I was brought up in Germany and I have see the pros and cons of western life style.Learning Gita changed my life for ever...
I always stand by what Jay has said beause he understands the true meaning and conveyed that very effectively.
I left the western world for good ..Joined the an Organisation which help elevates and fight poverty in the villages in Nagaland and Mizoram with spreading the wonderful message of Gita and taught them how to live and made them aware the purpose of life. ie from 1 village we have moved to 28 villages now ..In short we have not just transformed these villages we have given a whole new meaning to their purpose of life.
They have left drugs,alchohol and violent militancy and come to the main stream. They are all very thankful. I have ellustrated this here in this forum to emphasis that Gita can be followed practically in all walks of life not just in the battle field like situation as was ignorantly mentioned by Mr Jitendra.
For me people like Jitendra fits the perfect adage " all talk and no show". He has mentioned and given statstics on the literarcy rate of the indians and has blamed religion being abstruse and not for the poor.
We have practically followed Gita and demonstrated it in the simplest of ways so that even an illiterate can understand it. There are some who leave for Green pastures outside India , take the statsical accounts of various verticals from the internet and publish it in the blogs ,to leave an impression with credulous and gullible people, to make you look genious . Sorry for that Jitendra if I'm blunt.
@Jitendra says
"We were slaves for thousand years, you and your friends in same field were just reading and understanding Geeta at that time. And trying to interpret, 'what ever happens, happen for good'. Where in Geeta is written or for that matter any scriptures, that Follow or worship God"
As Jay has rightly ponited out we were not slaves because of following our religion but were slaves because we did not follow our religion or its teachings.
Irreligion became prominent when the brahmins who were supposed to understand and preach the religion to others became corrupt and got involved in amassing wealth and went for other material pleasures which were strictly forbidden for them.
With the degradation of the preachers the so called rulers became involved in practise of irrelgion instead of focusing on warfare they were invloved with women and other material sensual pleasures as there was no one to morally educate them about their duties and to preach them what is right and what is wrong. They started considering themselves above all. Hence the downfall and slavery for 1000 years.
@Jitendra said
" Since 5000 years ago Hindus are highly civilized in spite of followings
a. Fight amongst cousins/Kings/brothers were common
b. looting/rape/kidnapping/Attempt to rape were common
c. A divided society based upon Caste.
d. People are treated based upon work they do.
and at present Hindus are not highly civilized because there exist many 'FOOLISH MANKIND', who interprets 5000 years old God’s words wrongly and also they were slaves for 1000 years, ruled by Muslims and British, they should turn in to Christianity or Mohammedans"
You can't be serious ...Must be joking I guess?
a)If there is fight amoung cousins ,kings and brothers and war then going by your interpretation they should be branded uncivilised is it ?
Then since US invaded Afganistan and Iraq and then US should also be branded uncivilised correct
b)Raping and looting were every rare in early vedic india compared to what is happening now with extra gyani people like you preaching we should all follow our instincts
c)Caste and division were there in vedic india and every one was happy as it had a different meaning which later misused by some in later vedic period for discrimanting against other caste ..again all these were done people like you and not by scriptures or God.
d)5000 years scriptures are misintepreted by fools like you.There are many who follow it correctly .You need come out your comfort zone and check pls.
Since I have highlighted on the downside of not following our religion .Let me also highlight on the what India was before the slavery when followed our teachings.
We were a vibrant world power and the richest country.Our everthing including our rich history was manupulated by the invaders in some form or the other. Hence you see our population reading the history distorted by the British.
Our Ancient Kingdom span from South east asia to central Asia at the time the Ameraicans and the Europeans inclduing the Romans were living in caves like early men.
No where in history it is mentioned we have ruled but the truth cannot be hidden.. Why can't the historains explain sanskrit names to almost all the cites or countries in South east Asia and central Asia,why do we have mention of vikramaditya in the incriptions which is still there in turkish library
@Jitendra said
" If all religions are same than, why Buddha was preaching his teachings, why didn’t he said, no need, every thing is written in Vedas or in Geeta"
Its because of the same logic which Jay beautifully explained its because of the era and the audience . Buddha taught in the local Pali languange to the ordinary people to them abstruse vedas would not make any sense.
Every incarnation has a purpose, if God was to take incarnation now and make people aware and get rid of the evil like internet porn, terrorism etc can he say please go and read vedas or would he add something more which makes sense now ?
@Jitendra said
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When people like you, who are so much influenced by 'HOLY BOOKS', encounters real life problem, instead of using your own brain (which Mahavir Says 'Vivek', Krishna Says 'Atma') looks for the 'HOLY BOOK' and try to relate the situation with Arjuna's Situation and think that we are standing in same battle field "
You have completely missed the boat again "..your own brain" neither does Mahavir says Vivek nor does Krishna says Atma is your brain beacuse intelligence and Atma are two different things.
1) Had the communist regime in China looked into the buddhist scriptures they would not have massacred millions of armless students in Tinamen Square
2) Had Hitler looked into Bible on the verses of Jesus.He would not have massacered the Jews.
3)Had the politcal leadership in US opened bible they would not have decimated millions in atomic bombing in Japan
4)Was communist Stalin referring to any religious annotations when he asked for the Katyn massacre ?
5) Or was facsist Mussolini following any religious injuctions when he ordered the massacre of millions of innocents in Africa?
History is replete with such acts where there is not even an iota of religious proximity to such events .All these were committed by the so called people who believed in using thier own brains.
Please note Kunal that all the chaps you mentioned read the holy books yet they massacred. Who are you to say they were wrong. They did their best as per their circumstances, might be to save more lives of the opposite camp.
Everything that is going on here above is nothing but bloodiest possible massacre of each other's point of views which is absolute unnecessary... the article has attracted a lot of criticism as everything else that people have been quoting attracts in a God's country like India or anywhere else for that matter..
The suggestion is simple .. if we start respecting our self being human and think like humans for humans and humanity we don’t need God to distract us from all the absurd and absolutely unnecessary debate over Him and his or not his’ creations .
What we are actually doing is carrying out our frustrations on whatever platform that mentions God in any manner. All we need to do is introspect instead of preaching anybody else to behave and be human.
I think this is the best possible and least complicated way of being a simple human. Why slaughter God for our own sake and selfish motives just because we don’t have anything substantial to prove and distribute. Why shred God into Religious pieces who is nothing but the “Name” to a common man’s “Trust and belief in things that nothing would go wrong if he is right”.
Being a “human” is rather easier than to prove ourself a “human being” by taking shards of religions.
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Well succinctly not to rub anyone on the wrong side it seems the article "candle in the wind " is very immature not beacuse it says God not exist or not . Because it lacks any insight or logic. I'm a christian and I would say people like Jay are wonderful they should come out in open and write blogs.
What he has shown is unity in diversity. I never felt derogatry when he said the chirianity and islam were for lower class people as it is accepted by many.
He has done research and every comments which he publised has given reference with right interpretations and the reason for the misinterpretations.
Jitender say for instance "I am mentioning about self responsibility, if every one takes responsibility of self, what is the necessity of religion, country, army, caste and police"
This statement is like a fairy tale story which we tells kids. Price killed the demon and then price and princess married and lived happily ever after. Or a like a foolish statement by BCCI when the Indian cricket loses in the world cup qualifying like
" We lost it because we did not play well or Our batsman failed us. If we play well we can win world cup"
Every lame brain idiot knows that we lost it because we did not play well or batsmen failed us.
The question is why did the batsmen fail?
The question here is why is that we are not able to take our responsilities and the most important question which Jay brilliantly summarised in a liner "who decides what is right and what is wrong" ?
Something which may appear right to you may appear wrong to me . Because the word right and wrong they themselves are relative.
There are communities in US which believes wife swapping is ok and they justify it basing there is nothing wrong it because they are not forcing anyone or harming anyone or killing anyone. Now decides this is right or wrong human behaviour?
The porn industry produces porn movies if you ask for justification the producers would come and say they don't force anyone everyone acts on their own will come and join on thier own will and since general mass is ok watching it enjoying .Then who decides it is right or wrong behaviour?Check ex porn stars revelavion on the harrasment. Again the mass would divided over this on debate some support it and some against it so whose conduct should be branded correct ? whose conduct be branded incorrect? so who decides which is a human behaviour and which one is an animanl behaviour .
Now regarding reincarnation even though I'm a christan I believe in reincarnation because of the behaviour of my 5year old son which I witnessed.
My son when he was 5 year old he would talks in fluent Italian when he would wake from sleep in the night quietly unaware as what he spoke in the night. He would draw pictures and streets which he had never seen or heard anywhere.Till got a chance once myself to go to Italy to verify the details of the drawings and his streets which he drew.
Medical science could never explain the anamoly. They brushed it as paranormal activity.
During the past six years I have read hundreds of books published in the Western world on Near Death Experiences (NDE), Out of Body Experiences (OBE) remembering past and future lives through hypnotic regression, research on death and reincarnation, lucid dreaming, prophecies, ESP, clairvoyance and even on the spirit world as seen by mediums or through mind's eye of subjects who are in a hypnotized or super conscious state and who were able to describe what their soul was doing between lives on earth.
What was fascinating to me was the consistency in every single book about the Purpose of Life, Laws of Karma and Reincarnation, even though the books were written by different authors, who include physicians, certified hypno-therapists and ordinary people who claim to have crossed into the spirit world and returned.
My information source can be classified into five broad types. First types are books that are based on information provided by psychics or clairvoyants such as Edgar Cayce* and Ross Peterson.
The second types are books written by people or mediums who have the extraordinary ability to communicate with the world beyond. This includes books such as Interview With An Angel, Messages From Michael, Reaching to Heaven* by James Van Praagh.
Third type are books written totally by a directed force, commonly known as Automatic Writing, where the source of its intelligence and the propellant which directs the pencil or typing keys is unperceivable by any of our five physical senses. These include books such as The World Before and A World Beyond* by Ruth Montgomery and Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch.
The forth type are books based on information received from hypnosis sessions of thousands of individuals. Notable amongst these are Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton* Ph.D., Past Lives Future Lives by* Dr. Dr. Bruce Goldberg and Many Lives Many Mansions by Dr. Brian L. Weiss.
The fifth type contains books written after extensive research on Near Death Experience (NDE) of American citizens. According to 1990 Gallup survey, 35% of people on verge of death experience NDE and 22 million people in USA had NDE. Notable amongst this type are books written by Dr. Raymond Moody, Dr. Melvin Moarse, Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, Dr. George Ritchie, Kenneth Ring Ph.D., PMH Altwater, Craig R. Lundahl Ph.D (The Eternal Journey*), Betty J. Eadie (Embraced by the Light*) and Damion Brinkley.
The purpose of this paper is to present the summarized version of what I have learnt on the purpose of our soul’s journey, the laws of reincarnation and karma, in an attempt to explain why we are here and how we can all better ourselves. Everyone has a karmic cycle and the better we understand it, the easier our lives will be.
Now for something like people like KK-
Please read and check what you are writing and if not alleast verify it else please do not post it in blogs .People will laugh at you Please grow up kid . I was just looking at your comment on Kunal's postings you say " All the chaps followed preachings and the massacred to avoid casualities on the opposite camp :)
Stalin was an atheist and massascre of poland was of innocent polish officers who were not related to combat and an rather ally of Russia.
So was Tinament Square firing on unarmed demonstrators was by communist who does not believe in God and there is no question of opposite camps. Even the other exaples which Kunal have given are all perfect. Please check KK before you post :) I'm sure you would come up with something foolish again like Human controls life and Prithiviraj followed christ's principle and all. There is one thing in the blog "candle in the wind" which says our ego is very high, full points to that.
Please note Yohan that these preachings had no meaning, has no meaning and will have no meaning in future too. These preachings are for those who cannot think of this world and need a guide, a 'created' God which does not exit.
I feel pity that you cannot understand what I wrote. Please read again in which context I remarked about Prithviraj.
Lets first talk about the Responsibility, so you don’t want to let your children take the responsibility of themselves and instead of that you want them to depend upon some one like your priest and Holy books. Life is here and happening and you will not allow them to learn from their own experience. You can keep corrupting their thoughts and ask them to live in a particular way or worship a particular god on a particular day. Again I am telling you don’t send them to church, temple or Mosque, they won’t learn anything there. Even Vatican issued apology about sexual crimes some of churches which are caught so far have done world wide. So my suggestion to you, dont sends your child ALONE in CHURCH (at least, this much you can do for me)
Now since you have chosen simple path of giving some LSD or hypnotic medicines on the name of GOD which keep them hypnotized like you. You do not realize that what side effects of this non sense are. What ever rotten apples you are seeing today on the name of religion, are born out of junk and old scriptures. You belong to the same group of people, who worships only dead, because dead can not speak and correct you. That’s why people like you spitted on the face of Buddha, because he was denying the existence of GOD. Same people pour the lead in the ears of Mahavir, because he was an atheist as per your definitions. You come under same people who hang Christ, because he discards the contemporary philosophy of Jews.
Some where Kunal wrote, "Its because of the same logic which Jay beautifully explained its because of the era and the audience. Buddha taught in the local Pali languange to the ordinary people to them abstruse vedas would not make any sense."
So you mean to say that this Era has better than Buddha's time and intellectual level of people is higher. Buddha discarded all the theories of scriptures and gave a new way. But again he was crucified in India in a different way, thats why Buddhism has to take flight from India to other countries. Again you will talk non sense, when you say "Some Buddhist", this is so vague that some buddhist believe in GOD, these 'some buddhist' are no one but people like you who read only books and junks.
You gave China's example about atrocities and subsequent, tell me which nation so far followed your scriptures and act? Early Spain which sent missionaries with Armies in Latin and South America did ethnic cleansing there. British were best example about mixing religion, God and politics. When you comment on Hitler, Nazis and other tyrants, you forgot the fact that they all lost. Have they won the wars, history would be different. President Truman accused of dropping nuclear bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, was Japan a peace loving country before the bombing. Check your facts, about the Japan's atrocities on Chinese occupants. Recently Sri Lankan government was charged with human right violations. Small Island country, follows three major religions (Buddhist, Hinduism and Christianity) but still killed more than 100000 tamilians and you think that Army and Politicians never read your so called religious books. In and before 1971, thousands of Hindus were killed, looted, raped and tortured in East Pakistan, by whom a country formed on the basis of Religion. These all are side affects of LSD named religion and the center of all religion is GOD.
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That’s why I argue to discard GOD, be responsible of your own. And Jay said, Nirvana can attain by living properly, and then who is stopping you to live properly. Breath, eat and live here. Why to pollute your mind by reading useless junk. All this Nirvana and other theories are created by idle brain, first it gives a inferiority complex, by saying there is some higher power then it create superiority complex by saying that Humans are the best creation of GOD. By reading that war book, you can make fool to others but not to every one and yourself. Whenever and wherever sufferings are, be it Physical, Mental and financial, God business flourishes. Take the example of Missionaries; they are converting people on name of GOD from centuries, now in Africa and Asia. Only poor are turning in to Christianity, that too in mass, who is galvanizing this efforts and from where money is coming. If this is God's will than why not every know it. Why People sitting in Vatican only know it. Check out the facts in Muslim countries, only one religion flourishes, others are either dead or ran away. You still think, GOD exist. You really need to go for mental check up.
And Kunal, you are no different then missionaries, who is saying that we went to Nagaland to change lives of people of so many villages. If you have courage, why do you need Geeta in one hand? What powers you doesn’t have which you are deriving from GEETA. Why can't you go simply with a team of Doctors and explain them the ill affect of Liquor. And if presume, they are doing some bad things, than as per Jay it is coming from previous birth. Let them suffer, why you are coming in between your Lord's justice. Either you are also suffering from some Past life's sin that’s why you are correcting them now. And if some body told you to go and do all this chaos, then better check his/her finances/power circles, you would be shocked.
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You may not have more authority then followings, I am bound to give real examples and not like you who flaunt Geeta unnecessary
1. Jayendra Saraswati, Shankaracharya Shrangeri Matha, holds authority on Vedas, Geeta and all related Junks
2. Darul Uloom Deoband, hold authority on Shariah and Koran and related Junks
3, Church, Vetican, hold authority on Bible and claim to control the Church and missionary activities around the globe and related crimes
The first gentleman was caught in Murder, Deoband was giving all non sense fatwas (read my previous reply) and Crimes of Church are from centuries. These three affects millions, rather billions and they are reading, living and practicing so called religious books on daily basis. If you think that they are misinterpreting your god’s message, than good luck to you. You can still practice and preach dead man's collection, because you are brought up like this, what ever said in past is great, OLD IS GOLD. Life is here, not in Past. Krishna is dead, so all your old man. It’s your turn. Mere repeating his words wont help. Repeating Koran, Geeta and Bible would not lead you any where. And all this non sense is happening, when your Omnipresent GOD is sleeping, and after reading this Jay will go back to find an argument or ask me refer his previous reply, where he said, GOD is highest power, but he won’t interfere. And it is not his experience, some Junk book says so..
India as consider by many is most religious country, Geeta is flowing in every home and every lane. Either this fact is wrong or Geeta is making no sense to mass. You would blame people like us who discard GOD for 1000 years of slavery, even when every king proclaimed to be Religious Hindu. You need to read History books again.
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You can flaunt Geeta's golden words, all sugary words, it didn’t help any one, it will not help any one also. If Geeta was so important and was really coming from God's mouth, then why Lord was so discriminating. There were tens of thousands people standing in middle of that war, Lord could come forward and say look warriors, I am telling you the meaning of life, please listen this. As you try to fit Geeta in every circumstance and every walk of life, which Krishna didn’t thought so, by your logic he should have gather all and gave the lectures, like you, to every one. Probably we wouldn't have Mahabharata; He would have saved precious lives. And I am sure you will argue, that this was written, that war was going to happen and written by same god or higher power. If that was the case that war was evident, then why so drama. All stories have ups and downs, but since your relationship to your father depends upon this idiotic belief, you can keep on believing all non sense which has been prevailed upon you, through conditioning, generations and your religious dogmas. Geeta said by Krisha, Sanjay was reciprocating same sermons to King Dhritrashtra, nothing happened to King. Now in the twist of the tale, some Vedvyasa came in to picture, he again spoke Geeta to some Gajodhar (Another lord of yours Ganesha) and he penned it down. And in none stories so far, I have read or listen that this has been verified by Krishna, who actually told this. May I ask you, what technology they were using for long distance communication or you believe blindly here also because your relationship with your father based upon same belief. What kind of foolishness is this?
When somebody questions like this, you feel he has no idea how great the Religions are and he is against religion and God and he is against your whole upbringing. You will not respect his intelligentsia, because you are worshippers of dreads. You hang Christ, you thrown away Buddha, you poisoned Socrates, and you murdered Fareed because they are not fitting in your logic. People like you were telling to them, Stop talking non sense, Only Geeta/HOLY BOOKS is making sense.
I gave two example of misinterpretation, you could not understand that. So let me write in black and white. With argument, neither you can prove GOD exist nor non-exist. Then why to follow Mass Hysteria. And that to something like God exist, without having any experience of his/her/Its existence. You are here to prove that you are biggest slave of doctrine/books or religion, conditioning without knowing what has been said.
And what is wrong, if I derive my intellect from Bollywood. That’s why I called you one of biggest slave of a doctrine, Life is here and now and happening; you can derive intellect from any thing and any where, who is stopping you. And I know, why you are and would remain busy, because you need to refer HOLY BOOKS to give answers here also, you need to dig out pages and pages to find the right argument.
And big thank you to Science, that it kept Religion and GOD out of its periphery so far. However some people like you, always try to relate Einstein’s prepositions (and may others) to Religious text (read junks)
Only for Jay,
Now since you came so close, knows where I am from and giving a feel of close associations, may I know your real identity?
jitu bhai, badiya hain...ab discussion ho hi raha hain..here is my gyaan :)
For the time being, God is still needed by humans for the following reasons -
- Placeholder to account for the still unexplained mysteries of life (human's inability to prove/reason)
- To put the blame on for the events/catastrophes not controlled by human (human's inability to predict)
- And the most important reason for humans to live like human! (otherwise, humans wouldnt have been different from other animals)
Yes, we do not need fancy images of god (the way we have now)..but just an imaginary source of unknown/unexplained energy...so that humans live like humans in belief of that God....
enough of my gyaan...
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